A Conversation With Mickalene Thomas and Racquel Chevremont
March 25, 2022
The art world has historically given women and artists of color a narrow degree of representation. Visual artist Mickalene Thomas and her partner, art collector and consultant Racquel Chevremont, are changing that. Both Thomas—known for her collaged paintings that enshrine Black female figures in dazzling portraits—and Chevremont—known for running “State Street Salon,” a platform for artists, curators and collectors in Brooklyn—have worked over the years to increase visibility and create platforms for underrepresented artists through exhibitions and the fostering of relationships. To celebrate Women’s History Month, The 10,000 spoke with Thomas and Chevremont about their path to art, celebrating feminine beauty and sexuality, as well as their endeavors to make the art world more inclusive.
Your oeuvre is largely dominated by portraits—from your “FBI/Serial Portraits” series (2008) to works depicting Eartha Kitt and the former First Lady Michelle Obama—what initially drew you to portraiture?
MT: I make portraits largely for the idea of memorializing a person, to capture the physical essence and confidence of someone’s own beauty from my point of view. When I was a kid, I was particularly drawn to the "Beauty of the Week" section in Jet Magazine. This section showed me a view into Black women of various walks of life, their real bodies and identities - they reflected people like my friends and family members. They provide not only validation and excess of representation but a very high platform that demonstrates how portraiture can be used to change narratives and uplift voices that otherwise may not be heard in mainstream culture. Making portraits for me has always been the central focus of my practice to present and emphasize the beauty and power that Black women hold, and portraiture allows me to fully represent that narrative.
Header Image: Mickalene Thomas, Remember Me, 2006, Chromogenic print.
Brand New Heavies, an exhibit previously on view at Pioneer Works in 2021 curated by Deux Femmes Noires founders Mickalene Thomas and Racquel Chevremont.
Brand New Heavies, 2021, Pioneer Works, New York
What is your preferred medium to work with and why?
MT: I would say working in collage not only as a medium but as a conceptual construct as well. Collage allows me the freedom to edit, deconstruct and manipulate the image with varied possibilities that I often find restrictive in some of my other mediums. I’m using collage as a mode of construct that is a powerful method of weaving together different ideas, artistic styles, and historical references into a single work; it allows me, within my practice, to expand upon the depth of the conversations that happen within my work. There is always a level of playfulness within the process that empowers me to push the compositions to the edge and stay open-minded about the final image.
Your work examines race, sexuality, gender, and femininity while drawing from art historical figures and movements such as Manet, Dada, and Impressionism. What do these juxtapositions allow you to investigate in the work?
MT: Those juxtapositions allow me to call into question the historical narratives that have dominated the art historical canon and, subsequently, to reframe, claim and recontextualize them, giving them a more contemporary narrative. A large part of my practice is changing and manipulating ways of seeing or modes of perceiving a work and bringing these art historical figures and styles into the conversation allows me as an artist to reconfigure the path of that artistic legacy. The topics I examine in my own practice – beauty, sexuality, being Black, a woman – have been part of the art historical narrative for centuries, but the degree of representation hasn’t always been presented without marginalizing or by only depicting one narrative. It’s important to me to juxtapose these notions of these conversations but by presenting my images that are meaningful to me, a way of seeing from my own experiences. I can only draw and commit to and from my life and explore and investigate the beauty and power of Black women by subverting the complexities of material and cultural oppression.
Alongside your fine-art practice, you have shot covers for publications like Out and T: The New York Times Style Magazine. Have you noticed any differences between photographing people versus painting them?
MT: Photography allows me to expand upon my practice and capture a different dimension of my subject. There’s a different type of subjectivity to the use of the camera as a tool and as a mode of seeing. There’s also an element of “truth” or “spontaneity” to photography that you might not always get in painting. In painting, you have the ability to manipulate the work and the subject more, but when photographing someone it captures a specific moment. Both mediums have a level of artifice at play, but photography is rooted out of the human tendency to see oneself.
Racquel, there are dramatic changes happening in the art world right now and, as an art collector and consultant, how do you continue to create a path for rising artists?
RC: I mentor them and give them advice and support when needed. I’m also very deliberate about making sure to create opportunities for them, such as introductions to galleries and or other curators. As a collector, I collect their work; as a curator, I curate them into commercial and institutional shows, on television shows, and in films. The landscape has changed dramatically and there are now many paths that can be taken as an artist, so I’ll give advice based on what their aspirations are, whether that be institutional or commercial success.
Four years ago, you and Thomas founded a platform to increase visibility for artists of color, “Deux Femmes Noires.” How has this platform created more opportunities for artists?
RC: With DFN we’ve been able to harness both my and Mickalene’s strengths that our respective paths within the art world have taught us. We use our platform to help bring visibility to artists, whether that be by curating shows or passing on opportunities that come to us.
March is National Women’s History Month. What does it mean to the two of you to be someone a new generation of women artists and artists of color look up to?
RC: I’m humbled, and it means the world to me; it means I might actually accomplish what I set out to do decades ago when I decided that I wanted to help female artists and artists of color in whatever way I could to ensure that they had a shot of realizing their dreams – unlike my mother, whom I sat with in a restaurant over a Thanksgiving many years ago as she began to draw all of the other patrons and I had no clue. I then learned that she had given up her dream of being an artist because she didn’t know that there was a viable path forward.
MT: It is the most exhilarating feeling as an artist supporting other artists; it’s a reminder of my own journey that led me to this path of supporting women and artists of color. So, I remain modest in my mentorship by nurturing and fostering awareness in others by passing onward my experiences and knowledge, because there’s a place at my table and I’ve never been apprehensive to share space or make room for other artists to be triumphant. I recognize what it requires; there were challenging moments during my own growth as an artist where there was no light on my path and my dreams seemed out of reach.
Jet Blue #25, 2021,
Rhinestones, acrylic, chalk pastel, mixed media paper
and archival pigment prints on museum paper mounted
on dibond with mahogany and silver leaf frame
88 1/4 x 65 1/8 x 2 inches (224.2 x 165.4 x 5.1 cm)
Jet Blue #26, 2021,
Rhinestones, fiberglass mesh, acrylic, chalk and oil
pastel, mixed media paper and archival pigment prints
on museum paper mounted on Dibond with a
88 1/2 x 64 3/8 x 2 inches (224.8 x 163.5 x 5.1 cm)
From top of frame to bottom of mesh
93 3/4 x 64 3/8 x 2 inches (238.1 x 163.5 x 5.1 cm)
Guernica (Resist #3), 2021
Rhinestones, acrylic and oil paint on canvas mounted on wood panel
84 x 108 in (213 x 274.32 cm)
Tête de Femme #2, 2021,
Mixed paper, crystal fabric and
photo collage with rhinestones
Dimension Inches: 25 x 20.25 in.,
Dimension Centimeters: 63.5 x
51.43 cm., Framed Dimensions
Inches: 28 x 23 x 1 in., Framed
Dimensions Centimeters: 71.12 x
58.42 x 2.54 cm.
Mickalene Thomas, Remember Me, 2006, Chromogenic print